Author Topic: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure  (Read 3128 times)

Offline Zach

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #20 on: 10 March 2008 06:51 PM »
Juliano, can it. Finnigan is absolutely right. The only "confirmation" you fools have is your own wild imaginations. This game was about as close to being finished as Risa is to El'Aurian space.

When you're ready to post actual news, go ahead. For now, you should go back and pout about how your little game has been destroyed. Cry little, boy. Your tears are music to me!

Speaking of which, why are these damn forums still open? Shouldn't they have been deleted by now?

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #21 on: 10 March 2008 08:42 PM »
If this assessment is correct (and really, I have no reason to doubt Zach and the crew) then this story infuriates me to no end. If we truly were a hop, skip and a jump away from Beta, it makes me want to puke to think that this is gonna be set back another 2-3 years because of corporate stupidity.

Where are Kang, Kor and Koloth when you need a few good Klingons to intimidate the corporate suits?  :@
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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #22 on: 10 March 2008 08:44 PM »
Can I post as "Mirror Universe Finnigan" if I give my Avatar a beard?   :D

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #23 on: 10 March 2008 08:53 PM »
Can I post as "Mirror Universe Finnigan" if I give my Avatar a beard?   :D

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #24 on: 10 March 2008 09:00 PM »
I think its worth noting that even though STO was close to beta when it went down, atleast from my sources too, that doesn't mean it was close to the final open beta that some people think of when you say beta. If anything it most likely will of been teh very early beta tests, but from what I saw of game builds over a year ago, its not a far stretch for me to imagine early betas testing was that far away.

I do believe PE made a few blunders, like most new companies do, such as developing 2 MMO's at the same time, I also think thier PR strategy could of been refined somewhat, but PE did have some really amazing talent working for them, its also worht noting that STO and GnH were developed by seperate teams, so just because there were certain code bugs with GnH doesn't nessacarily mean the same bugs were there with STO, but then since teh game wasn't even at beta testing yet, I don't think its really an issue. Afterall, I've yet to see any peive of software get released without some bugs, more so with MMOøs which are insanly huge projects.

Personally, I'm more curious about whos developing STO atm and what direction they are taking the game, for as much as some people hated where PE were taking STO, I think alot of what PE were doing was really great, also, almost all the things people were complaining about, PE did want to add to the game (PSI for example as well as other factions), just not all at launch, due to time and money constraints. Its nice to dream about the perfect Star Trek game, but making it in the real world with money and time constraints is something entirely different, especialy where 'just' adding something can add months to a game production.

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #25 on: 10 March 2008 09:46 PM »
I mean no disrespect, but some people are right when they say the proof is in the evidance. As a debater of sorts, I dont believe a word anyone says unless they have something to back their words.

To say STO has been Picked up by someone, that's accurate enough to say. The proof lies in the webstie. Where as it was brought down, and taken back up again is proof right there.

Where STO is going, is it a real MMO again, who has it, who had it, why it was shelved, and etc is all hear say till people come foreward again. That's where STO-Net went wrong. It was all by hear-say and just avid religious followers to the texts on a website, instead of looking further, where as it all really was mostly a guess, and a mistory. It still is at this point.

I cant say enough how proof and evidance will win my heart over right now. Where as any update is better then none, lets not say it's fact till we are 200% certain.


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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #26 on: 10 March 2008 10:20 PM »
I'm very curious as to just what you guys think "Beta" means.  In the software development world I've  known for the past 18 years, a  Beta version typically means all features are present and the product is ready to be debugged and enter the formal testing period. 


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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #27 on: 10 March 2008 10:27 PM »
Well it really stinks to think that that the game was near beta (alpha 3, closed beta, open beta). It still means more time added to our wait for STO so now it really doesn't matter who is to blame. STO is taking 3 more years due to a stupid corporate decision. :ugh4:

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #28 on: 11 March 2008 12:42 PM »
The single mum called P2 lost daddy's alimentation and was perhaps too naive or lax to consider asking uncle Bob for financial support months ago in case daddy'd pull out (which is what big daddy's do).

Not having a reserve publisher is extreme lax. I'm wondering if P2 was really that naive, or simply took a stance of "meh, it'll go fine, we've got NCsoft". If I'd be responsible for releasing a grand title like Star Trek I would spend every day after gaining NCsoft to secure a spare publisher, just in case things would go wrong. Just as an extra insurence to ensure the release of my title.

Open beta could have been far away still though. Often the first stages of beta involves solely a selected crowd (not uncommonly developers and professional testers). This often involves 'sandboxing': playing on an empty slap of ground/space with a few hills/obstacles to test the most basic features of the game. It's often not until the last 2-3 months before release that individuals from the outside can sign up for a beta. And I can speak from experience that even then it is not uncommon that you are put in line/queue, being invited only in the last 2 weeks of the testing to iron out the smallest errors and bugs.

At least we're getting parts of the image concerning what happened. That's some relieve.

Offline Aryu Limitless

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Re: The Truth Behind P2 Entertainment's Star Trek Online Closure
« Reply #29 on: 12 March 2008 05:47 PM »
I understand that there are many differing voices in the way any ST license should be used, but to sell your intellectual property, based on another's license, even though it is one of the most beloved licenses around, is pretty bad, IMHO.

I have been working on a paper and pen RPG now for about 10 years, and it is still in revision!  I would not be happy to sell off this intellectual property, since it is based on nothing that's currently available-- not ST, not SW, not even d20-- and if I had the opportunity to sell this IP to another company, I would be hard pressed to find a reasonable price for which to sell.  If this is the situation:  they were offered a bunch of cash to hand over the property, then I, too, would be reluctant, and wonder of it was the right thing to do.

What P2 had was a great team working on this!  I so wanted to play!  I STILL DO! ^_^  But alas, at this rate, it'll be 2011 before we get our collective hands on anything remotely similar to ST:O...!

Here's hoping the undisclosed party gets it right!

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